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SCRO Presentation at Tulliallan and court transcripts from the testimony of
Charles Stewart, Dave Grieve, Fiona McBride, Hugh MacPherson, Pat Wertheim
and Shirley Cardwell / McKie.
we looked at the September IAI update by Joe Polski.
we look at a hypothetical
conversation between examiners. Although it is based on real events
and real images, it has been scrubbed to protect sources yada yada. If they wish to shrug anonymity and participate in
further public discussion, or if others wish to continue the discussion, I
feel it would be productive and beneficial. The more we discuss and
lead transparent efforts to better our discipline, the stronger it becomes.
The more we are ready to address these concepts on the witness stand, the
stronger we become.
Inconclusive Comparison and
by Anonymous Examiners
The background is that
this is a latent print from a residential burglary, the subject has been
named by the detective (as opposed to being an AFIS hit), and there are two
other latent prints that were not made by the suspect. This one is
from a probative object in the case.
Examiner 1: I'm not saying it's him and I'm not saying it isn't. Thank
goodness this one isn't my case! All I'm saying is that it's
interesting distortion making for an interesting comparison.
Examiner 1: I'll go ahead and tell you that out of 7 people in my office,
not one of them would call this. There might be someone in the world
that might, but I doubt it. However, the interesting thing is that out
of the 7 examiners, 4 said insufficient for identification and therefore
ended the analysis and didn't go any further, and 3 said although it wasn't
suitable for identification, that it was suitable for comparison and
therefore they would proceed to comparison and evaluation. After doing
so, all 3 were inconclusive, stating that although there was insufficient
detail for an ID, there was nonetheless sufficient agreement that they
couldn't eliminate the subject as being the source of the latent print.
They also felt that 2 problem areas fell on the edge of movement and were
not reliable. The "suitable for ident" versus "suitable for
comparison" is a topic that sometimes divides our 7 examiners. I find
it difficult to use "suitable for comparison" on all latent prints, but I do
use it on occasion. For me personally, this comparison is at the
bottom of my personal rung for an inconclusive determination due to the
limited quality and quantity of detail in the latent print. Until I
re-print the subject, I'm not completely sure whether this is a double-tap
(the top and bottom being from the same friction ridge skin) or movement
(the top being from a different area of friction ridge skin).
The comparison could be
broken into 3 parts: Latent to Latent (top to bottom), Latent Top to
Tenprint, and Latent Bottom to Tenprint.
I don’t know if it’s my old age or the fact that
I’m nearing the end of my 30+ year career without any bad idents (to my
knowledge, thank God) and I just want to end it that way. But, I don’t
think I could sleep at night on calling this an ident. Too much conflict
(in my own mind) which is my “red flag” to conclude a “no value” for
identification purposes. On the other hand I would assume that there are
some examiners that might call this an ident. I respect that
opinion, but this is one of those “error on the safe side" for me! Call me
I must agree to not calling this an ident. Too
much going on for me. I would also have to fall back and re-group at
another day and time.
Examiner 4: I, on the
other hand, am the anti-conservative and love the opportunity to take a
chance. However, this is not a print I would be willing to take a chance on.
It is evident that there is a problem whether it be from movement,
distortion, placement, choose your own term, but I can’t conclusively state
that the discrepancies are a result of that phenomenon. I’m with Mr.
Conservative in stating that I would let this one go and live to fight
Examiner 5: Ditto. If you don’t call
it, what’s the worst that can happen? The guy walks, but you still have your
reputation. If you call it wrong, no matter how honest your opinions or
intentions, you have lost considerably more. You can’t unscramble that egg!
Generally in this office an Inconclusive is used when the exemplars are
incomplete (ie tip latent and the exemplars are not recorded that high).
Personally if I have a latent that is a tip, phlange, or from a palm print
and I do not have the exemplars necessary for a complete comparison I prefer
the term “incomplete analysis”. However the term inconclusive is very seldom
used when there is a sufficiency problem with the latent print and not the
exemplars. A couple of us will use it for sufficiency issues of a latent
print (not suitable for identification but suitable for comparison) but when
that happens in this office we have a problem and lines in the sand are
drawn and battle formations are made. Tough to get one approved on a
Personally, I like Suitable for Comparison. Too many times trying to
determine Suitable for Identification is difficult when it's on the fence
because you don’t have any reference to compare it against. Being Suitable
for Comparison is just as it says…..if there are some ridges there and if I
even want to try and refer to any set of knowns, it's Suitable for
Comparison. That doesn’t mean it's identifiable even with a good set of
knowns to compare against. I think the term inconclusive is
tremendously underused in our industry. Why is everyone so afraid of that
word? There isn’t enough information to identify the latent. But there
also isn’t enough information to exclude (there needs to be data to support
the exclusion). That leaves INCONCLUSIVE. Forensically it's a moot point.
You can’t say either way. The point is that you did look at it…..you did
compare it, and I think that means something.
Examiner 1: Well
said. I should try to explain why I am having difficulty. In the past 8
years I have used inconclusive more than in the first 22 years. For those 22
years I got quite comfortable with a set limit. Not that I could not go
under the limit if the information was present to do so, and in fact I did
on several occasions. But now that I have accepted the concept of Suitable
for Comparison I have to readjust my limits and I am having a difficult time
with where that limit is. Some in my office who argue against "suitable for
comparison" (SFC) and prefer "suitable for identification" (SFI) would say
that you could say inconclusive on a single ridge with a single
characteristic. Now I can see that as a possibility (whatever that means)
but not as a realistic one. I do not think anyone would use the SFC for a
single ridge or characteristic. So how far down do I go? Do I need at least
some other features present that are in a definable, clear, concise unit
relationship? What about patterns? We have all been to that place where we
have a whorl pattern and cannot see diddly squat detail in it but yet we
know we can eliminate a subject that has all loops or arches. For me there
has to be some definable relationship between some arbitrary features that
are clear and concise and reliable (if I say
that might be an ending
ridge----then it is not reliable). You grew up with SFC (I think). SFC
is more difficult for me because I have to readjust my limits. I think it is
good but readjusting my limits is killing me sometimes. Inconclusive----you
are right it is much underused. I think it goes back to SFC and SFI. Someone
who is SFI when they have one that is not identifiable then it is
non-suitable, end of story. But with those that have adopted with SFC then
an exclusion is on the same level and standards as an identification (they
both have equal footing and importance). For SFI a different level of
standards exists. With SFC because the ID and Non-ID are on the same level
you are going to have more inconclusives due to the borderline or gray area
between the two. At least that is my two cents worth. Perhaps the best
question yet: Can you tell me at what point or level do you move from
Non-Suitable for ACE to Suitable for Comparison? At what point do you go
from “this is not good for anything” to “Yea, I can compare this?” That is
Examiner 6: Well, I would love to tell you something like you need to
connect with your “chi” and become one with the latent, but it's much more
mundane than that. I think everyone is familiar when they are looking
at a latent and they can see pattern or flow (Level 1) and a few decent,
strong characteristics (Level 2) and if you’re lucky, maybe some pores and
clear ridge edges with some fluctuation (Level 3). Now, is it enough to
make you pick up a fingerprint card (or would pick up a card if you had one)
and look,”just to see if maybe there is something similar that I might want
to take a closer look at”? Then that is Suitable for Comparison……because
you just compared it, even if it is just a cursory look.
Examiner 1: I think my “chi” has connected with my “chong” and hit the
comedy tour. Several years ago (about 5) someone told me that if you got to
put a glass on it then it is suitable for comparison. That did not work for
me because I put a glass on everything. Then a couple of years ago
someone told me very close to what you have stated. It went something like
this: “One, do not even think about counting any points, you look and if you
see any clear ridge flow and within that if you can see 2 or 3
characteristics then you have one for comparison. Do not worry or consider
the amount of detail you have until you have completed your comparison. Then
you sit back and consider what you have. If not enough for an ID then dive
back in and look for 3LD. If still not enough then perhaps some enhancement.
Only when you have exhausted all approaches then you consider what you have.
If you start counting features right off the bat and you do not see
enough, then you are going to fixate on that decision. Do not count what
is up front but only add up what you have in the end.” That is what I
have been doing, but in all honesty it is difficult to get a case through
Technical Review when the person doing the Review does not look at it the
same way you do. I appreciate what you have said. I kind of baited you there
because I was curious as to how you solve the problem. I like it and I am
going to adopt it. Now if I can convince four others. That is going to be a
hard ground to plow.
I’ve been known to write
in my report that the exemplars were missing areas of interest on certain
fingers or palms preventing a complete examination at this time. I hesitate
to use inconclusive in that arena although it definitely applies.
Examiner 1: I dislike the use of inconclusive for describing incomplete or
poor exemplars. I did use it for a while in trying to conform to SWGFAST,
but it just did not sing, and then I was getting calls from investigators as
to what I meant. So now when I have poor exemplars I will say “The analysis
is incomplete due to the poor quality of the exemplars OR the area needed
for comparison was not recorded”. I will only use inconclusive now to
indicate a latent print that I cannot individualize or exclude. I
think for poor exemplars a person should describe particularly what is
missing or what is needed. Inconclusive just don’t rock my boat for that.
Interesting,... I’ll stir the pot.
Possible analysis conclusions:
suitable for identification/individualization
Suitable for comparison (but not necessarily
identification / individualization)
Suitable for exclusion only.
Suitable for exclusion / inclusion (base on first
I suspect there will be some division
among the ranks here. Some are hardliners – no value-of value. Some like
flexibility. Is this a lack of standards?
On your possible analysis
conclusions, #1 through #4 can all be covered by Suitable for Comparison.
If there is enough detail in the latent, even if it's just Level 1 Detail,
and you would want to compare it to a known it's Suitable for Comparison.
Then you have the standard 3 analysis conclusions:
Identification (with data to support that)
Exclusion (with data to support that)
Inconclusive (with limited data to support either identification or
exclusion, or maybe a little of both)
Examiner 2: I’m with you on
this. I just wished to FP community (who ever that my comprise) would all
be on the same page (or standard.)
SCENARIO - You receive a
check with a single ink print on it that was written on the account of a
murder victim. The ink print has been recorded, the check processed and no
latent prints were developed. You are given two subjects to compare:
Subject A and Subject B. Subject A has all loop patterns and Subject B has
all whorl patterns. You then start you examination. Response: It is easy to
see that subject A can be excluded as the donor of the ink print in
question. However in comparing subject B you cannot individualize his right
thumb as the source of the ink print. You tell the investigator you have
excluded subject A as the source. What do you tell the investigator about
subject B? 1.
The ink print is not suitable for identification with subject
B, or 2.
The right thumb of subject B cannot be excluded or included as
the source of the ink print on the check. Your analysis is inconclusive.
If you go with 1, how can you say the print can be used for exclusion of
subject A but all of a sudden is not suitable for subject B? Or
you could say the ink print is not suitable for identification and not say
anything about subject A or subject B. Is that truthful? I would think that
subject A’s attorney would like to know that his client could not have left
that print at all. Not saying anything at all is not very scientific.
This scenario has been around a long time and I like Suitable for Comparison
as it allows me to step out of the box when it is necessary to speak the
I like many have been struggling
with this problem. I’ll put something on the table (without much thought.)
What if you reported the results something like this?
Subject “A” is excluded based on general pattern type (level 1.)
The question print is a whorl pattern; comprising 35% of
Subject “B” possesses patterns within this percentage range.
No identification can be established with the question print to
subject “A” or “B” due to lack of quality/quantity of friction ridge detail.
It provides the truth about subject “A” and leaves us sitting on the fence
with subject “B.” I know the percentages can vary as well (I’ve read 30 to
35 % etc.)
I would report it out
something like this: Subject A could be excluded as the source of the
latent fingerprint. The comparison to Subject B was inconclusive. Due to
limited data in the latent fingerprint, Subject B could not be identified or
excluded as a possible source. I don’t know if it is wise to put
probabilities on the likelihood that it is a match. There are just too many
variables. While it's true that whorls comprise about 30%-35% of
fingerprint patterns, but it is misleading if Subject C would have a wide
double loop whorl that obviously would exclude him. A layperson or
investigator or attorney may give too much weight to a statement like that
when it might not warrant it.
Examiner 4: It seems to me
that this is the group to start setting some of these standards and
presenting them to the organizations that rule the science. It wouldn’t be
easy I know but there has to be some level on which we agree. I hope
someone is writing this stuff down.
Examiner 7 who has been
watching from the sidelines: This goes to the heart of "sufficiency"
and reporting, and these exchanges are being documented and will be
presented to SWGFAST when thes topics arise. In fact, I write this from
SWGFAST this week! However, neither of these sections are open for
edit at this time.
Examiner 4: And so we continue blindly down the path waiting for
someone to do something but never taking the reins ourselves. It will
have to be several States or group entities to get something looked at on a
National level. One person or one state won't be enough to get a push. It
has to be us. This group needs to be the driving force.
Examiner 1: For my section you have three that will go with Suitable for
Comparison and four that go with Suitable for Identification. We have no SOP
governing which one is top dog. So how do you convince, mandate, make
someone to accept SFC when they absolutely do not believe in it. Let
the battle begin. Got to close this off and finish my Power Point for
Court. It is nice to have a computer to flip back and forth between a couple
of programs. Work on one and flip to the other. I have to go, so
someone drag this over to CLPEX.
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