Fingerprint Society Update

[Colin]

I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for a reply from the FS – witness the lack of response to earlier postings on this thread. The deafening silence could mean (a) they have no members left or (b) the few remaining members are too embarrassed to pull their heads out of the sand and DO SOMETHING to repair the damage done to their organization by Liebetter, Fibbin’ Phoney and other charlatans who still claim membership. If they want to save their society, they’d better act quickly; they are fast running out of time to rid themselves of the festering foulness that contaminates their body.

[Taggart]

Colin,

The reason for posting was out of genuine curiosity to see what the Fingerprint Society is doing internally to change their image, and deal with those who have been found to bring the science into disrepute.

And I suspect you are right in that nobody will come forward and there will be some sort of ‘coup’ planned for the AGM in April next year. Nothing above board you understand in case anyone within the Society finds out about it!

I find it somewhat ironic the Society should issue a public questionnaire when they are unwilling to actually tell the public what is going on within the Society.

Why issue this questionnaire right in the middle of a Public Inquiry? Are they looking for the public to come back and give them the lever to oust the Chairman and the Editor in the very same way the SPSA is going to use the Inquiry Report to deal with those who need to be dealt with?

Try and deal with matters whilst at the same time absolving themselves of any blame.

From what I hear Colin the damage to the Fingerprint Society is irreparable.

And those who sat back and allowed it to happen have only themselves to blame.

Several times I asked someone to tell us what the current membership is compared to what it was.

Again deafening silence.

And that silence as you suggested will only get louder and louder…..

[Taggart]

I found this on the Fingerprint Society website and wonder when Martin Leadbetter and Fiona McBride will abide by the Societies Code of Conduct especially in relation to Code 13?

http://www.fpsociety.org.uk/membership/rules.html

13. Reconsider and, if necessary, be prepared to change your conclusions, opinions or advice and to reinterpret your findings in the light of new information or new developments in the relevant field; and take the initiative in informing your client or employer promptly of any such change.

Of course if the Society was genuine about its future, immediately after the IAI findings in particular, they would have evoked Rules 13 or 15 against Martin Leadbetter and by default Fiona McBride.

13. Expulsion of Members
13.1 If at any time the Committee considers that the interests of the Society require it they must invite a member to resign from the Society, by a letter specifying the time before which the withdrawal should be made.
13.2 If the member concerned does not withdraw the Committee must submit the question of his/her expulsion to the Annual General Meeting or a Special General Meeting to be held within eight weeks after the date of the letter.
13.3 Not less than 14 days’ notice of the meeting must be given to the members.
13.4 The Secretary must inform the member in question of the time and place of the meeting and the nature of the complaints against him/her in sufficient time to afford him/her a proper opportunity of offering an explanation.
13.5 At the meeting the member must be allowed to offer an explanation of his/her conduct verbally or in writing and if after that more than half of the members present vote for his/her expulsion he/she will immediately cease to be a member of the Society.
13.6 The voting at any such Special General Meeting must be by ballot.

15. Suspension
15.1 If at any time the Committee consider that the interests of the Society require it they may suspend a member from the Society for a fixed period of time or until further notice.
15.2 A member who is suspended shall not during the period of suspension be entitled to any privileges of membership but may in accordance with Rule 13 attend any General Meeting at which his/her expulsion is sought.

[Colin]

After the Massacre of the Fingerprint Society – the Massacre of Glencoe! What a parcel of rogues in a Nation!

Check out:

http://www.sibeliusmusic.com/index.php? ... ser_id=261

[Pat A. Wertheim]

Just when you thought things couldn't get any more bizarre . . . . . . . .

[Taggart]

Glencoe - An Overture for orchestra, Op.243 (2008) - orchestra by Martin Leadbetter
This overture is intended to convey the drama of Glencoe. It is composed for full orchestra and is dedicated to a close friend, Fiona McBride.

Good spot Colin.
Check out the other Leadbetter compositions:
http://www.sibeliusmusic.com/index.php? ... &uid=54633
How does this man ever find the time to misidentify fingerprints?

Martin Leadbetter
Scores
"'Tis Time I Think by Wenlock Town" piano & vocal, $5.00
"Drummer Hodge" Op.240 piano & vocal, $3.00
"Gethsemene" piano & vocal, $5.00
"Ghostly Goings-On" piano & vocal, $5.00
"In Flanders Fields" choir (with or without keyboard), $7.00
"Job Blues" Op.30 piano & vocal, $10.50
"Love's Remembrances" Op.95 piano & vocal, $16.00
"O Death, Rock Me to Sleep" piano & vocal, $5.00
"The Lay of the Lash" Op.244 string quartet/quintet, $10.00
"This Time of Year" piano & vocal, $5.00
"When I was One and Twenty" piano & vocal, $5.00
30 Piano Preludes Book 2 Opus 197 by Martin Leadbetter (arr.), solo instrument,
$12.50
30 Preludes for piano in all the major and minor keys Book 1 solo instrument,
$12.50
A Christmas Winter Warmer: A ne song for Christmas (Piano score version). string
orchestra, $11.00
A Christmas Winter Warmer: A new song for Christmas (Orch. version) orchestra,
$9.00
A Sad Pavan, Op.252 mixed ensemble, $7.00
A Suite on Nursery Tunes Op.96 clarinet choir, $7.00
Abandonment solo instrument, $6.00
An English Garland Opus 200 choir (with or without keyboard), $10.00
Annie's Music mixed ensemble, $6.00
As I Stepped from the Meadow Op.187 choir (with or without keyboard), $6.50
Aulos, Op. 231 for two solo oboes duet (of the same instrument), $4.00
Bores Hed Carol choir (with or without keyboard), $4.00
Brussels to London - "Eurostar" string quartet/quintet, $7.75
Cake Walk string orchestra, $4.00
Cassation for Wind Op.217 wind/brass band, $9.00
Celebration Serenade string orchestra, $8.00
Classical Overture Op.165 orchestra, $15.00
Concerto da Camera Op.171 string orchestra, $10.50
Concerto for Bassoon & Strings Op.173 string orchestra, $10.00
Concerto For Cello Op.179 string orchestra, $14.00
Concerto for Horn, Op.176 string orchestra, $10.75
CONCERTO FOR OBOE & STRINGS Op.172 string orchestra, $10.00
Concerto for Viola Op.178 string orchestra, $13.00
Concerto for Wind & Percussion Op.230 wind/brass band, $12.00
Cornel Dance Suite Op.64 trio (of the same instrument), $14.50
Czech Dances Op.253 no specific instruments (e.g. worksheet), $5.00
Czech Suite Op.253 solo instrument & piano, $6.00
Danse Comique Op.6b mixed ensemble, $6.00
Dialogue for Two Flutes, Op.206 duet (of the same instrument), $5.00
Euphony Op.101b solo instrument & piano, $5.00
Fantasia on a Theme of Christopher Tye for Double String Orchestra string
orchestra, $11.00
Fidelio - Quartet, Arr. Clarinet Quartet by trad. (arr.), clarinet choir, $5.00
Five Bagatelles Op.247 for String Quintet string quartet/quintet, $8.00
Five Bar Mood Variations solo instrument, $5.00
Five Gifts of the Asylum Seeker: A new song for Christmas string orchestra,
$10.00
Five Gifts of the Asylum Seeker: A new song for Christmas (Piano score) choir
(with or without keyboard), $5.00
Five Gifts of the Refugee Op.229 string orchestra, $5.00
Flute Concerto Op.174 string orchestra, $10.00
Four Orchestral Sketches, Opus 239 orchestra, $15.00
Four Seasonal Sketches Op.226 For String Orchestra string orchestra, $9.00
Fugue with a Lilt Op.145 solo instrument, $5.00
Galliarde for Organ solo instrument, $6.00
Glencoe - An Overture for orchestra, Op.243 orchestra, $11.00
Grande Marche Funebre orchestra, $17.00
Gymnopedie solo instrument, $5.00
Heatwave Rag Op.187 solo instrument, $5.00
Hodie choir (with or without keyboard), $6.00
Hoe Down orchestra, $10.00
Hungarian Rondo-Toccata Op.170 solo instrument, $6.00
I Hear America Singing Op.142 choir (with or without keyboard), $7.35
In Another Country Garden Op.208 string orchestra, $5.00
Jazz Toccata Op.164 solo instrument, $6.00
Klezmer Wedding Music mixed ensemble, $6.00
Laudate Dominum Op.133 choir (with or without keyboard), $7.00
Love's Remembrances piano & vocal, $10.00
Lullaby of the Nativity choir (with or without keyboard), $5.00
Marche Ceremonielle Op.130 orchestra, $15.00
MASONIC FUNERAL MUSIC K477 (MOZART) by Mozart (arr.), solo instrument & piano,
$5.00
MASONIC FUNERAL MUSIC Mozart/Arr.Leadbetter for brass by Mozart (arr.),
wind/brass band, $5.00
Masonic Lodge Music solo instrument, $14.00
MASS IN A MINOR Op.126 choir (with or without keyboard), $16.75
Military March Op.195 marching band, $10.00
Moto Perpetuo for solo piano, Op.238 solo instrument, $3.00
Movement for Strings Op.167 string orchestra, $8.50
Mr Handel in Oxford Street string orchestra, $6.00
Music for Klezmer Band Op.186 mixed ensemble, $8.00
Nocturne for String Quartet string quartet/quintet, $6.00
Norwegian March solo instrument, $4.00
Nowell, Sing We With Good Cheer choir (with or without keyboard), $5.00
Of On That Is So Fair And Bright choir (with or without keyboard), $4.00
Of Pipes, Pistons, Tubes & Valves solo instrument & piano, $5.00
Old French Tune (1) by trad. (arr.), solo instrument, $4.00
Old French Tune (2) by trad. (arr.), solo instrument, $5.00
One Thousand and One Arabian Nights, Op.251 - Tableaux for Orchestra orchestra,
$14.00
Oradour-sur-Glane orchestra, $12.00
Overture in the Style of Handel orchestra, $9.00
Overture to Welcome the New Year, 2009 Opus 235 orchestra, $10.00
Pagannini Variations, Op.242 string quartet/quintet, $10.00
Pan solo instrument, $4.00
Partita for Strings Op.245 string orchestra, $10.50
Passacaglia and Fugue on the Dorian Mode, Op.85 solo instrument, $6.00
Passacaglia on the Aeolian Mode Op.78 solo instrument, $7.00
Piano Concerto in D minor Op.234 string orchestra, $11.00
Piano Concerto No. 2 in D minor Op.234 orchestra, $12.00
Pizzicato Fugue Op.204 string orchestra, $6.00
Prelude & Fugue for String Trio Op.63 trio (of the same instrument), $6.50
Prelude & Fugue in C BWV 531 Bach Arr. Leadbetter by J S Bach (arr.), orchestra,
$8.00
Promenade - A One Act Opera (Vocal Score) orchestra, $10.00
Quintuple Bi-Pass for Jazz Quintet jazz quartet, $12.50
Ragtime Toccata Op.210 sextet (of the same instrument), $12.50
Rhapsody for Soprano Saxophone Op.188 string orchestra, $8.00
Rondo Giocoso Opus 203 solo instrument & piano, $8.75
Satanic Dance Op.183 orchestra, $13.00
Six Modal Duos Op.66 solo instrument & piano, $6.00
Six Two-Part Inventions, Op.246 solo instrument, $6.00
String Quartet No.4 Op.209 string quartet/quintet, $10.00
Suite for Alto Saxophone & Piano Op.219 solo instrument & piano, $7.00
Suite for Bb Clarinet & Piano solo instrument & piano, $5.00
Suite for Clarinet & Piano Op.219a solo instrument & piano, $7.00
Taking the Air on the Boardwalk mixed ensemble, $9.00
Te Deum Op.113 choir (with or without keyboard), $14.00
The Chequered Band Op.84 wind/brass band, $8.50
The Silver Swan Op.233 string orchestra, $8.00
Theme for a Movie orchestra, $11.00
Three English Courtly Dances Op.90 mixed ensemble, $9.50
Three Folk-Songs for Harmonica Op.237 solo instrument, $3.00
Toccata Eclatant solo instrument, $4.00
Toccata Fioriture Op.232 solo instrument, $5.00
Toccata Gothique solo instrument, $5.00
Toccata Heroique solo instrument, $4.00
toccata Plagiat solo instrument, $4.00
Toccata Rapide solo instrument, $5.00
Train Music Op.166 orchestra, $10.00
Trumpet Concerto Op.175 string orchestra, $11.00
Tuba Concerto string orchestra, $6.00
Two Fantasias & Sortie solo instrument, $6.00
Two Spirituals by anon. (arr.), choir (with or without keyboard), $5.00
Une Petite Piece pour Samantha solo instrument & piano, $4.00
Une Piece Gai pour Orgue solo instrument, $4.50
Violin Concerto Op.177 string orchestra, $12.00
When All is Said and Done piano & vocal, $5.00
While Shepherds Watched Their Flocks by Night by anon. (arr.), orchestra, $13.00

And some of his lesser well known compositions

‘10 Missing Ridges’ solo vocal $priceless
‘Public Apologies to Pat’ solo vocal $priceless
‘Hoist By My Own Petard’ solo vocal $priceless
‘Public Inquiry Blues’ solo vocal $priceless
‘Censured by the IAI’ solo vocal $priceless
‘The Song of the Three Discredited English Experts’ trio vocal $priceless
‘Help’ solo vocal $priceless
‘Y7, Why Me?’ solo vocal $priceless
‘Swannie, The Fraudulent Fingerprint Forgery Expert’ solo vocal $priceless

[Daktari]

‘Public Apologies to Pat’ solo vocal $priceless

I think that should be ‘Public Apologies BY Pat’ solo vocal $pineless
See and enjoy;
http://www.thefingerprintinquiryscotland.org.uk/inquiry/files/2009-11-23%20PM%20Transcript.pdf
Pat-at-a-Glance at his best.
How about that drink now?

[Taggart]

And there was you telling us all you never responded to anonymous posters!

[Taggart]

Not sure if anyone can help but I have a vague recollection about a possible song relating to fingerprints. Something about 16-points? Does anyone have any such knowledge?

Perhaps there should be a re-release of a classic as a memorial to the SCRO and their supporters.

Chubby Checker (No pun intended, honest) and ‘The 66degree Twist’.

I’d buy it!

[Pat A. Wertheim]

Taggart,

I believe the song you heard about was one I sang to an audience in London in 2000. It was written as a parody of Tennessee Ernie Ford's song "Sixteen Tons" and was sung to that tune.

Of course, I'm no great composer of classical symphonies the way Martin is, nor did I dedicate my song to Fiona (although some might imagine I did).

Anyway, here are the words:

SIXTEEN POINTS


Well, the SCRO were so haughty, they were acting so smug.
Counting sixteen points was the hole that they dug.
When along come a Cowboy, put their backs to the wall,
‘Cause they made a bad ident and they took the fall.

You count sixteen points and it's a nasty shock,
You made a bad ident, now your neck's on the block.
You ignored ridgeology, it's sad to say.
Your career's in a nosedive, that's the price you pay.

Well, I was born one morning in the drizzling rain
After ten years in the business doing things all the same
When I read Dave Ashbaugh and I saw the light.
So I changed my ways, now I'm doing things right.

You count sixteen points and it's a nasty shock,
You made a bad ident, now your neck's on the block.
You ignored ridgeology, it's sad to say.
Your career's in a nosedive, that's the price you pay.

Well, if the sweat pores ain't there, then you'd better pay heed.
Edgeoscopy, too, 'cause all these things you will need.
If you want to stick around for a whole career,
Then these words I'm saying you had better hear.

You count sixteen points and it's a nasty shock,
You made a bad ident, now your neck's on the block.
You ignored ridgeology, it's sad to say.
Your career's in a nosedive, that's the price you pay.

So don't be like the dinosaurs and just count points,
'Cause you may send some innocent folks to the joints.
Or you may miss the big one, let a killer go free,
All because you refused to use ridgeology.

You count sixteen points and it's a nasty shock,
You made a bad ident, now your neck's on the block.
You ignored ridgeology, it's sad to say.
Your career's in a nosedive, that's the price you pay.

Copyright 1999 Pat A. Wertheim

[Colin]

Pat – Brilliant! – any chance you could post a mp3 recording ?

[Taggart]

Great stuff Pat! Thanks for the post.

[antonroland]

Before I inject my tuppence allow me to state clearly that (1) I have no dog in the McKie vs FPS debacle, (2) I did not read this whole thread in detail so here are my opinions on the situation...

As a former FFS I found it difficult to keep my membership as I had to arrange banker's drafts to send my membership in GBP. It is likely that the FPS could be offering credit cards as an option by now as membership was current a number of years back.

I offer as a main argument the following question:

With the amount of information and people available in ever-increasing and ever-improving on-line resources, does a body such as this (or the IAI for that matter) really have the appeal it had two decades ago?

Maybe I am out of touch with what you folks are experiencing in the northern hemisphere but it is my humble submission that a certificate of membership and a journal might not be enough to keep existing members and attract new members in the internet age.

As said, purely my 2c worth...

[Colin]

To All (remaining) members of the Fingerprat Society: How is the restructuring of your society proceeding? Sacked your Editor yet? In today's newspapers she is being described as a "Bloody-minded forensics officer" and has been told that she can't return to her old job - see:

http://www.heraldscotland.com:80/news/c ... -1.1006333

[Taggart]

I wonder if any readers can help.

I was having a look tonight at the Fingerprint Society website. It says on the main page the January Journal has been issued.

http://www.fpsociety.org.uk/

However the Journal is published four times a year.

http://www.fpsociety.org.uk/thejournal/index.html

FINGERPRINT WHORLD - ISSN 0951-1288
Quarterly (January, April, July, October)

Can anyone confirm if the April and July issues have been circulated?

Can anyone confirm if Fiona McBride is still the editor of the said Journal?

If she is, can anyone from the Society explain why the following has not been invoked given they evidence Miss McBride gave at the Fingerprint Inquiry under oath?

13. Expulsion of Members
13.1 If at any time the Committee considers that the interests of the Society require it they must invite a member to resign from the Society, by a letter specifying the time before which the withdrawal should be made.
13.2 If the member concerned does not withdraw the Committee must submit the question of his/her expulsion to the Annual General Meeting or a Special General Meeting to be held within eight weeks after the date of the letter.
13.3 Not less than 14 days’ notice of the meeting must be given to the members.
13.4 The Secretary must inform the member in question of the time and place of the meeting and the nature of the complaints against him/her in sufficient time to afford him/her a proper opportunity of offering an explanation.
13.5 At the meeting the member must be allowed to offer an explanation of his/her conduct verbally or in writing and if after that more than half of the members present vote for his/her expulsion he/she will immediately cease to be a member of the Society.
13.6 The voting at any such Special General Meeting must be by ballot.

15. Suspension
15.1 If at any time the Committee consider that the interests of the Society require it they may suspend a member from the Society for a fixed period of time or until further notice.
15.2 A member who is suspended shall not during the period of suspension be entitled to any privileges of membership but may in accordance with Rule 13 attend any General Meeting at which his/her expulsion is sought.